[Selenetest] Re: HTML from a different e-mail client

For me, the two messages are identical, including the dipthong in your name. The only difference is that the copy from the list includes an attachment, ‘00730.omcsettings’. Ditching that would be nice, but I note that I already get lots of emails from mailman which include an attachment that thinks it is a postgreql file. From: Lochac Masonry Deputy Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 9:53 AM To: jeremy@jeremygregson.com; 'Ælfred se leof' ; selenetest@lochac.sca.org Cc: 'Dylan Kerr' Subject: RE: [Selenetest] Re: HTML from a different e-mail client I don’t know of any significant downside unless the spam filter is a problem as Nico says. But since list administrators can choose HTML conversion or not on a list-by-list basis I’d rather it worked than not. Since the Mailman2 lists are (mostly) HTML-free I think that setting will be brought across to Mailman3 by default – at least that’s what happened for selenetest. But we can ask everyone to switch off conversion as part of the migration if they want. Just to be sure it’s the list and not the crappy e-mail client I’m using (Windows Mail), can you let me know if the version of this e-mail that comes through the list matches the one that comes to you directly? Ælfred From: jeremy--- via Selenetest mailto:selenetest@lochac.sca.org Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 8:43 AM To: 'Ælfred se leof' mailto:aelfred@nps.id.au ; selenetest@lochac.sca.org mailto:selenetest@lochac.sca.org Cc: 'Dylan Kerr' mailto:sca@dylan-kerr.net Subject: [Selenetest] Re: HTML from a different e-mail client Is there a security/performance downside to letting HTML through? Because I don't think there are many non-html email clients left out there now. I know that spamassassin gives negative points to email which is only html. It thinks that is a Bad Sign, and that good mail should be multipart with plaintext and html versions - but it isn't a fatal problem, just something that contributes towards an overall score. -----Original Message----- From: Ælfred se leof via Selenetest mailto:selenetest@lochac.sca.org > Sent: Friday, 11 March 2022 6:56 AM To: selenetest@lochac.sca.org mailto:selenetest@lochac.sca.org Cc: Dylan Kerr mailto:sca@dylan-kerr.net > Subject: [Selenetest] Re: HTML from a different e-mail client Even worse, I sent another e-mail from the first e-mail client that didn't get through at all because the HTML-to-text program barfed on the non-ASCII characters. Anyone know any good HTML-to-text converters? Mailman's default is lynx but we didn't have that installed so I've tried python3-html2markdown and html2text. Or should we just let HTML through? Aelfred (no non-ASCII stuff) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dylan Kerr" mailto:sca@dylan-kerr.net > To: "Ælfred se leof" mailto:aelfred@nps.id.au >; selenetest@lochac.sca.org mailto:selenetest@lochac.sca.org Sent: 10/03/2022 9:18:57 PM Subject: Re: [Selenetest] HTML from a different e-mail client

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