- Selenetest - Kingdom of Lochac

test from gmail after reloading dkim
by Jeremy Gregson 06 May '22

06 May '22

test

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test from gmail
by Jeremy Gregson 06 May '22

06 May '22

Test from gmail

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Test yahoo
by Andrew Price 05 May '22

05 May '22

Test message Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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checking sender signature
by nico＠jeremygregson.com 04 May '22

04 May '22

test

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Testing HTML-to-plaintext with language.en.charset=utf8
by Lochac Masonry Deputy 16 Mar '22

16 Mar '22

A non-ASCII character: Æ “Smart” quotes and ‘apostrhophes’ A non-ASCII character: =C3=86 =E2=80=9CSmart= =E2=80=9D quotes and =E2=80=98apostrhophes=E2=80=99 =

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Testing with no HTML-to-plaintext conversion
by Lochac Masonry Deputy 13 Mar '22

13 Mar '22

Some bold and italic text. • Some • Dot • Points A non-ASCII character: Æ “Smart” quotes and ‘apostrophies’

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HTML from a different e-mail client
by Ælfred se leof 11 Mar '22

11 Mar '22

Some bold and italic text. Some Dot Points A non-ASCII character: Æ “Smart” quotes and greengrocers’ apostrophe’s. .0pt;word-wrap:break-word"> Some bo= ld =C2=A0and italic text. =C2=A0 > ">Some > ">Dot= ">Points :p> =C2=A0 A non-ASCI= I character: =C3=86 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9CS= mart=E2=80=9D quotes and greengrocers=E2=80=99 apostrophe=E2=80=99s.

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Trying a different HTML-to-text converter
by Lochac Masonry Deputy 10 Mar '22

10 Mar '22

Some bold and italic text. • Some • Dot • Points A non-ASCII character: Æ “Smart” quotes and greengrocers’ apostrophe’s. xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/of= fice/2004/12/omml" xmlns=3D"http:/ /www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> 5 (filtered medium)"> Some bold =C2=A0and itali= c text. type=3Ddisc> mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Some mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'>Dot >Points A non-ASCII charact= er: =C3=86 =E2=80=9CSmart=E2=80=9D quotes and greengrocers=E2=80=99 apostrophe=E2=80= =99s. =

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Draft advisory for users migrating from Mailman2 to Mailman3
by Lochac Masonry Deputy 10 Mar '22

10 Mar '22

Let me know if I’ve missed anything. Cc’d to Sorle because Bordescros is the fist real list to be migrated. – Ælfred Migration • The list will be unavailable for a short period (1-2 hours) while its data is migrated from Mailman2 to Mailman3. Messages sent to the list during this period may be lost or bounced. • After migration, list subscribers may continue using the list as before without taking any specific action; however, see additional information under “for list members” below. • The migration process will preserve the list membership and list archives, but the archives will move to a new location with a new more featureful interface. • The web interface for mailing lists (including archives and subscription management) will move to https://mailman.lochac.sca.org For list members • The day-to-day behaviour of the list will not change. • Instead of having a separate password for each list, list members can manage their subscription settings for all lists by creating an account at https://mailman.lochac.sca.org. • To access functions requiring a log-in, list members must create a new account even if they’re already subscribed to one or more lists. The new account should be automatically connected to all mailing lists to which the associated e-mail address is subscribed. • List subscribers can also manage their subscription by sending e-mail to listname-request(a)lochac.sca.org, e.g. lochac-announce-request(a)lochac.sca.org for the Lochac-Announce list. Send a message with body ‘help’ for instructions. This doesn’t require an account. For list administrators • List administration is now done through your account at https://mailman.lochac.sca.org. This is the same account as the one you will use for managing your own list subscriptions. • The Mailman3 site administrator is mailman3(a)lochac.sca.org (presently Ælfred se leof). Please direct requests for new lists, enquiries about the list administrator interface, etc. to this address. = Let me know if I=E2=80=99ve missed anything. Cc=E2=80=99d to Sorle because = Bordescros is the fist real list to be migrated. =E2=80=93 =C3=86lfred <= p class=3DMsoNormal> **Migration <= o:p>** * The list will be unavailable for a short peri= od (1-2 hours) while its data is migrated from Mailman2 to Mailman3. Messag= es sent to the list during this period may be lost or bounced. * After migration, list subscribers may continue using the list as bef= ore without taking any specific action; however, see additional information= under =E2=80=9Cfor list members=E2=80=9D below. * The m= igration process will preserve the list membership and list archives, but t= he archives will move to a new location with a new more featureful interfac= e. * The web interface for mailing lists (including archiv= es and subscription management) will move to [https://mailman.lochac.sca.org](3D"https://mailman.loc=) **For list member= s** * The day-to-day behaviour of the list will n= ot change. * Instead of having a separate password for eac= h list, list members can manage their subscription settings for all lists b= y creating an account at [https:/= /mailman.lochac.sca.org](3D"https://mailman.lochac.sca.org"). =C2=A0 * To access functions = requiring a log-in, list members must create a new account even if they=E2= =80=99re already subscribed to one or more lists. The new account should be= automatically connected to all mailing lists to which the associated e-mai= l address is subscribed. * List subscribers can also mana= ge their subscription by sending e-mail to listname-request(a)lochac.sca.org,= e.g. lochac-announce-request(a)lochac.sca.org for the Lochac-Announce list. = Send a message with body =E2=80=98help=E2=80=99 for instructions. This does= n=E2=80=99t require an account. **For list administrators** * List administration is now done through your account = at [https://mailman.lochac.sca.or= g](3D"https://mailman.lochac.sca.org"). This is the same account as the one you will use for managing your o= wn list subscriptions. * The Mailman3 site administrator i= s mailman3(a)lochac.sca.org (presently =C3=86lfred se leof). Please direct re= quests for new lists, enquiries about the list administrator interface, etc= . to this address. =

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Re: Welcome to Mailman3
by Lochac Masonry Deputy 10 Mar '22

10 Mar '22

Yep, one of my tasks for this week is to write up some information about What Will Change for list subscribers and administrators. I’ll post a draft to this list when it’s ready for comment. I’ve already posted a heads up to the Kingdom Officers. I can’t see any way of subscribing users from the command line but Mailman has a REST API for such things: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/rest/docs/…. The base URL is http://localhost:8001 but can be changed if necessary. The credentials are in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py (not posted to the list because the archives are public). Alternatively, sending e-mails to listname-request(a)lochac.sca.org might work: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/d… There’s probably also a way of doing it through the Mailman shell (sudo -u list mailman shell) but that would require connecting the Registry to Python. Ælfred From: nico(a)jeremygregson.com Sent: Thursday, 10 March 2022 9:08 AM To: 'Lochac Masonry Deputy' Subject: RE: [Selenetest] Welcome to Mailman3 Okay - a question/observation. I'm getting the test emails successfully, because a couple of my email addresses are in that list. But when I go to the web interface to try to sign in, I discovered that I don't have a user account with Mailman3. I had to create one, with my already-subscribed address linked to it. Now, if this only affects people who want to go to the web interface and administer a list, or browse the archives, it is not a huge deal for the majority of the population. Most people subscribed to lochac-announce will never know or care. But it is a concept which will need to be explained to list admins, at least. Ideally, modifying the template on the web home page to explain what's going on would be nice. Meanwhile - I need to check whether mailman3 supports the same command-line process for adding a subscriber to a list. At the moment, when someone joins the SCA, the membership form includes a tickbox asking if they want to be subscribed to lochac-announce. And if they do, it gets done for them automatically behind the scenes, without them having to go through a separate manual process. I'd like to keep doing that, if I can. So - small-scale testing on lesser lists progresseth nicely, but I think some change management for the one big list is probably in order. Cheers, Nico -----Original Message----- From: Lochac Masonry Deputy via Selenetest <selenetest(a)lochac.sca.org> Sent: Wednesday, 9 March 2022 7:26 AM To: nico--- via Selenetest <selenetest(a)lochac.sca.org> Subject: [Selenetest] Welcome to Mailman3 Greetings Selene Test Team. Here are some notes about this list to get us started. General information: • The web interface is at https://mailman.lochac.sca.org • The Mailman site administrator is mailman3(a)lochac.sca.org, which is currently an alias for my personal address • The Selenetest list administrators are mailman3(a)lochac.sca.org and masonry(a)lochac.sca.org How It Works: Mailman3 is made up of two systemd services, mailman3 and mailman3-web, with configuration in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg and /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py, respectively. I have configured mailman3 so that it starts only the two essential ‘runners’: the one that accepts mail from postfix (‘lmtp’) and the one that implements the REST API (‘rest’). The other runners, which process mail, are run from cron jobs defined in /etc/cron.d/mailman3: • The ‘in’, ‘pipeline’, and ‘out’ queues are cleared every ten minutes. These check incoming mail, perform any necessary transformations on it, and send it out again, respectively. • The ‘command’ and ‘virgin’ queues are also cleared every ten minutes. The first processes requests sent to listname-join@lochac, listname-leave@lochac, etc., while the second is where Mailman inserts its own messages (moderation requests, etc.) into the system. • The ‘retry’ and ‘task’ queues are cleared every hour • The ‘archive’, ‘bounces’ and ‘digest’ queues are cleared every evening • I have disabled the ‘nntp’ runner altogether since no one is using NNTP as far as I know A homebrewed Python script in /var/lib/mailman3/bin/cron-runner.py processes the queues. The script only starts the runner if mail is actually in the queue, and then only makes one pass over the queue. I wrote this script because Mailman’s own ‘runner’ script can only run indefinitely (which uses huge amounts of memory) or process one message at each invocation (which is painful). One upshot of this for ordinary people is that mail to a list may take up to 10-15 minutes to be sent out again, and archives are only updated once per day. This can of course be changed by changing the cron configuration. Log files are in /var/log/mailman3. The main log is mailman3.log. The web service has another log /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman3-web.log, which is different to the Apache log. The Apache logs are /var/log/apache/mailman.*.log.. Manual operation: Mailman3 has a single command-line tool, called ‘mailman’ (no 3), that performs more or less the functions of the scripts in /usr/lib/mailman/bin in Mailman2. For most purposes, it should be run as the ‘list’ user, otherwise it may create files or processes owned by root that other Mailman3 processes can’t work with, e.g. $ sudo -u list mailman info # displays version information To process a queue manually, invoke /var/lib/mailman/bin/cron-runner with the queue’s name as the first argument, e.g. $ sudo -u list /var/lib/mailman/bin/cron-runner in # process all incoming mail If mail cannot be processed due to an error (e.g. Python throws an exception), Mailman3 puts it in the ‘shunt’ queue. Once the error has been fixed, use the ‘unshunt’ command to get the mail going again: $ sudo -u list mailman unshunt Other resources: • https://www.list.org • https://mailman.readthedocs.io Ælfred Yep, = one of my tasks for this week is to write up some information about What Wi= ll Change for list subscribers and administrators. I=E2=80=99ll post a draf= t to this list when it=E2=80=99s ready for comment. I=E2=80=99ve already po= sted a heads up to the Kingdom Officers. &nbs;= p; I can=E2=80=99t see any way of subscribing= users from the command line but Mailman has a REST API for such things: https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/latest/sr= c/mailman/rest/docs/rest.html. The base URL is [http://localhost:8001](3D"http://localhost:8001"=) but can be changed if necessary. The credentials= are in /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py (not posted to the list because the ar= chives are public). Alternatively, sending e-mails to listname-request(a)lochac.sca.= org might work: [https://docs.mailman3.org/pro= jects/mailman/en/latest/src/mailman/commands/docs/commands.html](3D"https://docs.mailman3.org/projects/mailman/en/la=) There=E2=80=99s= probably also a way of doing it through the Mailman shell (sudo -u list ma= ilman shell) but that would require connecting the Registry to Python. <= p class=3DMsoNormal> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C3= =86lfred **F= rom:**[nico@jeremygregson.com **Sent:** Thursday, 10 March 2022 9:08 AM **To:**['Lochac Masonry Deputy'](3D=) **Subject: =** RE: [Selenetest] Welcome to Mailman3 Okay - a question/observation.=C2=A0 = I'm getting the test emails successfully, because a couple of my email addr= esses are in that list.=C2=A0 But when I go to the web interface to try to = sign in, I discovered that I don't have a user account with Mailman3.=C2=A0= I had to create one, with my already-subscribed address linked to it. <= p class=3DMsoNormal> Now, if this = only affects people who want to go to the web interface and administer a li= st, or browse the archives, it is not a huge deal for the majority of the p= opulation.=C2=A0 Most people subscribed to lochac-announce will never know = or care.=C2=A0 But it is a concept which will need to be explained to list = admins, at least.=C2=A0 Ideally, modifying the template on the web home pag= e to explain what's going on would be nice. &n;= bsp; Meanwhile - I need to check whether mail= man3 supports the same command-line process for adding a subscriber to a li= st.=C2=A0 At the moment, when someone joins the SCA, the membership form in= cludes a tickbox asking if they want to be subscribed to lochac-announce.= =C2=A0 And if they do, it gets done for them automatically behind the scene= s, without them having to go through a separate manual process.=C2=A0 I'd l= ike to keep doing that, if I can. = So - small-scale testing on lesser lists progresse= th nicely, but I think some change management for the one big list is proba= bly in order. Cheers, Nico &nbs;= p; = \-----Original Message----- From: Lochac Masonry Dep= uty via Selenetest <selenetest(a)lochac.sca.org> Sent: Wednesday, 9 March 2022 7:26 AM To: nico--= \- via Selenetest <selenetest(a)lochac.sca.org> = Subject: [Selenetest] Welcome to Mailman3 &nbs;= p; Greetings Selene Test Team. Here are some = notes about this list to get us started. = ; General information: =E2=80=A2 The web interface is at https://mailman.lochac.sca.org =E2=80= =A2 The Mailman site administrator is mailman3(a)lochac.sca.org, which is cur= rently an alias for my personal address =E2=80=A2 The Selenetest list admin= istrators are mailman3(a)lochac.sca.org and masonry(a)lochac.sca.org How It Works: <= p class=3DMsoNormal> Mailman3 is m= ade up of two systemd services, mailman3 and mailman3-web, with configurati= on in /etc/mailman3/mailman.cfg and /etc/mailman3/mailman-web.py, respectiv= ely. I ha= ve configured mailman3 so that it starts only the two essential =E2=80=98ru= nners=E2=80=99: the one that accepts mail from postfix (=E2=80=98lmtp=E2=80= =99) and the one that implements the REST API (=E2=80=98rest=E2=80=99). The= other runners, which process mail, are run from cron jobs defined in /etc/= cron.d/mailman3: =E2=80=A2 The =E2=80=98in=E2=80=99= , =E2=80=98pipeline=E2=80=99, and =E2=80=98out=E2=80=99 queues are cleared = every ten minutes. These check incoming mail, perform any necessary transfo= rmations on it, and send it out again, respectively. =E2=80=A2 The =E2=80=98command=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98virgin=E2=80=99 queu= es are also cleared every ten minutes. The first processes requests sent to= listname-join@lochac, listname-leave@lochac, etc., while the second is whe= re Mailman inserts its own messages (moderation requests, etc.) into the sy= stem. =E2=80=A2 The =E2=80=98retry=E2=80=99 and =E2= =80=98task=E2=80=99 queues are cleared every hour =E2=80=A2 The =E2=80=98ar= chive=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98bounces=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98digest=E2=80=99 queu= es are cleared every evening =E2=80=A2 I have disabled the =E2=80=98nntp=E2= =80=99 runner altogether since no one is using NNTP as far as I know A home= brewed Python script in /var/lib/mailman3/bin/cron-runner.py processes the = queues. The script only starts the runner if mail is actually in the queue,= and then only makes one pass over the queue. I wrote this script because M= ailman=E2=80=99s own =E2=80=98runner=E2=80=99 script can only run indefinit= ely (which uses huge amounts of memory) or process one message at each invo= cation (which is painful). One upshot of this for ordinary people is that mail to a = list may take up to 10-15 minutes to be sent out again, and archives are on= ly updated once per day. This can of course be changed by changing the cron= configuration. Log files are in /var/log/mailman3. The main log is mailman3.log. Th= e web service has another log /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman3-web.log, which= is different to the Apache log. The Apache logs are /var/log/apache/mailma= n.*.log.. Manual operation: Mailman3 has a single command-line tool, called =E2=80=98mailman= =E2=80=99 (no 3), that performs more or less the functions of the scripts i= n /usr/lib/mailman/bin in Mailman2. For most purposes, it should be run as = the =E2=80=98list=E2=80=99 user, otherwise it may create files or processes= owned by root that other Mailman3 processes can=E2=80=99t work with, e.g.<= /p> $ sudo -u= list mailman info=C2=A0=C2=A0 # displays version information To process a queue m= anually, invoke /var/lib/mailman/bin/cron-runner with the queue=E2=80=99s n= ame as the first argument, e.g. $ sudo -u list /var/lib/mailman/bin/cron-runner in= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 # process all incoming mail If mail cannot be processed due= to an error (e.g. Python throws an exception), Mailman3 puts it in the =E2= =80=98shunt=E2=80=99 queue. Once the error has been fixed, use the =E2=80= =98unshunt=E2=80=99 command to get the mail going again: $ sudo -u list mailman unsh= unt Other= resources: =E2=80=A2 https://www.list.org =E2=80=A2 https://mailman.readthedocs.io =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C3=86l= fred =

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